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22 Feb 2015 at 23:53 #1

Greetings!
This thread will be about The Art of Warfares internal tournament called "Battle for Earth", the format
of which I will describe at the end.
In three months it will be 2 years since I joined TAW EU, in that time, in this game which as we all know
is slowing down, I have managed to more than double our membership, and gotten in some really great players, both in personality and otherwise, today we have 29 active members in TAW EU.
The amount of players brought in, their activity, and due to many large donations to TAW EU, we have managed to increase the scope of our internal tournament and managed to have great prizes as well.
For example only 4 months ago now I won an geforce gtx 780TI, which was great, most expensive component of my new computer taken care of! Rex is jealous, which is also good.
The donations take many forms, also in donations for our servers, our dedicated server is now paid up for 1.5 years, which makes everything a little easier.
Let's get back on track here. I'm hoping to continue to increase the size of TAW EU Quake Wars, to increase the scope of our internal tournament, and to keep some kind of competitive games still going in Quake Wars, and to have prizes as often as possible.
I think the more people we get, the more interesting it will be for other people to participate.
So how does our internal tournament Battle for Earth function?
Well for example in our upcoming BFE, which will be our 26th, we will have 4 teams, names of teams are Hellraisers, Mad Dogs, Warheads and Roughknecks.
TAW has a bit of a unique perspective on team composition and rules.
What we do is that we pre-select four willing team leaders, that then draft their team from a player pool of 20 players of different skill levels through a draft sequence. That way we get 6 people on each team, and since it's a draft we also get more balanced teams.
The remaining players of TAW EU will act as reserve players, if someone can't make it to an event, we call these players "floaters", floater selection is usually done by team with last points having first pick.
We will play on modified promod servers which we call "pro vehicle" servers, the suggested limitations for our next BFE will be no flyers, limitations on heavy vehicles, and limitations on sniper rifle, rocket launcher and gpmg (vice versa for strogg).
It will run as a series or league for perhaps 1-2 months, using a point-based system based on taking objectives.
Any existing prize will be awarded in a lottery in the winning team.
If you just want to see how TAW EU functions, come play with us as a guest
The more we grow, the more we can increase the scope of our internal tournament, and after that I think, the more players will come back or try out Quake Wars
Anyone interested to join as a guest or join TAW e-mail me at
chronicler@taw.net
:)

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22 Feb 2015 at 23:58 #2

And for those interested to try this great game out, Quake Wars can be found very inexpensively on Amazon :)

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23 Feb 2015 at 09:53 #3

yes i agree many more ppl should b trying this game its an amazing game!!
I see a lot of problems with ur very self indulgent post.
first of which is if you already have ur pool of players why are you posting on steam and not on your clan website.
i mean 6 player teams are lame you need more then that to have a good game. but its probly the bare min u can get i understand wanting to recruit new players but i will never join TAW
also your preselecting team names isnt that a little presumputious? the teams once selected should vote on a team name or at least decide if they want to leave it up to he captians discrstion.
probly the greatest problem is playng on a modded server. torns should be pure and if a player doesnt know how to use or defend against a certain vehical or weapon then that shows a massive lack of skill and shouldnt call themselves a tornoment worthy player. the game is well banced and no vehical gives an unfair advantage esp when you have a team that works well and people who can properaly handle their asigned class.
also the problem with giving points for just objective completion is foolish cause its easy to spam an obj and show no skill just charge in not regarding kill/death ratio. if ur planning on running this like a fantasy legue u should give players indivual points based on performance esp battle sense kill / death ratio and obj completion also class level reached. team points for winnin a round and more for winnig a campiagn. then all team and indivual point swould b added to see the winner
lastly the problem i see its a TAW event lol. granted TAW has done much to preserve ETQW but from what i rember of TAW in the extremely active days of ETQW is that they were all kinda ♥♥♥♥♥! and that doesnt seem to have changed. they also are very sore losers

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23 Feb 2015 at 10:31 #4

1. "first of which is if you already have ur pool of players": I think I made it clear that I want to increase the scope of this pool and recruit new players, it's hard to do that posting on a clan website.
2. "i mean 6 player teams are lame you need more then that to have a good game": This BFE we have 6 player teams, other times we have had larger teams, we have also events where we play non-BFE games, like yesterday when we selected two team leaders and then divided into teams and played 13 vs 14, then after that some custom public.
3. "u can get i understand wanting to recruit new players but i will never join TAW": Okay so now you understand why I am not posting on clan website? =p
4. "also your preselecting team names isnt that a little presumputious?": No it's not presumptuous to have traditions, these team names go back to TAWs founding when the game came out 7 years ago.
5. "probly the greatest problem is playng on a modded server. torns should be pure": To my knowledge flyers have always been banned in Quake Wars competitive gaming, on pub servers it really makes no difference, since most flyers suck there generally. TAW changes it's rules before every BFE, so flyers have been allowed before, we have just had problems recently since we have some very strong ones, strong enough to be able to avoid any countermeasures. And in these mods we play like tactial assault mod, the hyper/gpmg is much stronger than in vanilla. But as far as I know these weapons have usually also been banned in competitive gaming in Quake Wars.
6. "also the problem with giving points for just objective completion is foolish": It has worked for us for a very long time, unless you didn't understand, the defending team also gets points for each objective they defend. And all sides get both the opportunity to attack and defend. We haven't always this format though, previous we have had point systems for victory or draws etc. This is just the rules for the next BFE.
7. "is that they were all kinda ♥♥♥♥♥! and that doesnt seem to have changed. they also are very sore losers": And you are extremely wrong, and most likely talk out of your ass like most people do that denigrate TAW, I have invited people that denigrate TAW to our events, to join us just once at least before they talk ♥♥♥♥ about us. But none of you have joined. In my experience, TAW is probably the best community around, and we have great people in TAW EU (and NA).

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23 Feb 2015 at 15:49 #5

amd once again you prove my point urself. your long tyrid and only responding to small qoutes and not addressing the questions or even paying attention to what i wrote like saying now you undeerdtand i said i understood i just dont think you shoudl cause ur an ass. its is proof how stuborn and stuck up u really are. and that seems to be a constent accross TAW and thats why there have always been people who talk about how unsportsman like and just how pompus Taw members are. again taw has done a lot to keep an active comunity of ETQW playing and if not for their support it might not even still be playable. however its people like you who give taw a bad name cause you cant have a discusion with out being a duesch and are very sore losers
so no i dont talk out of my ass. I know my way around ETQW and have been with it since beta tests. so i know a little about its balncing. as i stated there is NO ONE who is invincible in this game if they have a good strategy or just spamming there is always another option and a way to take them out. and as stated if you cant figure it out of get annoyed by it it just shows your lack of skill. and by banning flyers and other weaopns is like playing with a handicap and if your clan constantly bans them is probly why they are so bad against or with them.
even if there is someon who is extermly good with a flyer u can take them out with an assult riffle alone and not die and if u have a team shooting at them or just a good field ops or a soldier with a rocket launcher or heavy can take him out in an instant or even a sniper rifle does good damage and works works well. saying that " they can avoid any countermeasure" is just pathetic weakness cause its simply not true. strategy ius the key in this game u have to out think your oponant not just outgun them if you cant use ur head u wont be able to beat ur enemy
again I, as well as many others beleave torns should be played unabridged and pure and if u cant handle it u shouldn t play or do sum sessions against the pc and try to get ur skill up. by babying ur clan members u ll never get to be a good player at any game u shouldnt ban a player just casue they are better then u. you should respect them and find a way to beat them.
i understand the team name selection is tradition i didnt know that. but still i think you point system is a little flawwed it doesnt give merit to indivual players and is worse then xp based matches that just gave out to xp wores. but its ur clan i just think you should have just done a simple come check out our clan post would have ben much better advertising now every word you type seems to be hurting your cause to expand TAW

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23 Feb 2015 at 19:41 #6

1. "amd once again you prove my point urself. your long tyrid and only responding to small qoutes": Yes you, see instead of copying the entire paragraph and take up a lot of unecessary space I chose to just quote the beginning of the paragraph so you would know what I was referring to. And please tell me what I didn't respond to in your questions, or statements as I would call them. "It's proof how stuck up and stubborn you really are" ...lol so you know me now after this short post? or are you referring to TAW as having some kind of constant pomposity amongst it members. And calling TAW unsportsmanslike lol? You really don't know anything, or you are mixing TAW up with someone else, TAW has rules in it's Code of Ethics that forbids unsportsmanlike behaviour. Ofc, TAW being so large we have had some bad eggs join for a short time that has then been kicked out.
2. "so no i dont talk out of my ♥♥♥. I know my way around ETQW": Okay, so during all this time in Quake Wars did you ever participate in an organized tournament? Or play against any of the really good players? Some good flyers for example can pretty much take up a position in Anansi near GDF spawn on Refinery, and shoot from there at the second objective which is the hack objective, and take out most of the things there, and in a 6vs6 game there is 5 other (usually pretty good players) to also worry about. And any countermeasures you throw up against that Anansi is easily avoided. "soldier with a rocket launcher or heavy can take him out in an instant " - omg lol, why did we never realize that there is a rocket launcher? (that was sarcasm btw), I think it's pretty clear that the only experience you have of this game is on public servers where flyers are usually noobs taken out quite easily. Some of the flyers we have can take out other flyers, and pretty much all vehicles in seconds, rocket launchers are easily avoided even when you dumb-shoot them, they stay out of range from assault rifles etc. Sure, a field ops can do damage against an Anansi with maybe something like plasma mortar, then you once again assume that the flyer lets the plasma mortar be up long enough to make damage to him. I mean the flyers on pub servers I can take out quite easily with one shot of the tank, but some of the better flyers in this game are very hard to take out, especially on certain maps on certain objectives where there isn't a lot of cover on the sides, like for example 2nd objective on Refinery. And to conclude, this is also why flyers have always been banned in competitive gaming in Quake Wars.
3. "again I, as well as many others beleave torns should be played unabridged and pure": And you have the right to organize as many tournaments as you want as you want them to be played, just as myself and TAW does. No-one is stopping you. "sum sessions against the pc": Right because playing bots that only run in one direction is such a great way of learning.
"u shouldnt ban a player just casue they are better then u.": And I haven't banned any player that's better than me? The only thing we are doing is applying rules that ban flyers. Just like always have been done in serious tournaments in Quake Wars. Many of the players in TAW have asked for such restrictions, this is also due to certain things being OP in certain mods.
4. "now every word you type seems to be hurting your cause to expand TAW": Not really, I think it's pretty clear from the start that you are the one making a lot of assumptions and other things simply drawn out of air, as you yourself say you have never joined a TAW event, and you never will. Proving the fact you don't know left or right. And you don't seem to know too much about competitive gaming in Quake Wars either.

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24 Feb 2015 at 11:12 #7

when i say ur only responding to certain qoutes i wasnt refering to just the length of each qoute im refering to the fact that you will quote somehting and not realize or ignore what i say right before or right after that. i highly doubt i would be unable to discern what you are refering to wuth a response lol. and yes i can tell a lot about someon from their posts. and again the way u talk is very arrogant and stuck up and like i said this is a very common quality among TAW member throughout the years. so yeah i'm generalizing from exp. that being said there are some great players in TAW too who not only are skilled but also great ppl in general. however this was always the exception not the rule.
and obviously you dont know much about ur members or at least members in past history who would do things against server rules like spawn camp, tk and much more like a group invading a server and having ppl tk players on the the team that was defending so the other members could get obj etc TAw members were notorious for this as well as kicking players who wold beat them on their own server and humilate them again and again and ban them thats what im refering to.
im not going to go into much of an explantion regarding ur remarks about flyers cause my answer is still the same if you cant handle it it just shows ur lack of skill and even if someon bests u and u cant get to them sometimes that happens its tough luck but u make up for it in another round or do the same thing urself when its ur turn to be in their spot. again there are a lot of ways to acomplush a goal in the game, out moving ur oponents strategy is part of playing the game. a seasoned player knows what people will do so they know how to defend against it easily.
and im aware that in SOME tornoments yes flyers have been ban but that mostly cause most players dont even know how to fly without crashing so they think the people who actualy learn how to use the vehical correctly are having an advantage. but plenty of QW tornoments didnt have such bans until after standalone cleint/server software was released and people had a lot more private tormoments after rankings went offline.
Actauly read that again i NEVER said i never was in a taw event i actualy have been and was a temp member for a while but left cause of stupid drama and ♥♥♥♥ talking cause ppl couldnt handle loseing so yea i do know a little about ur TAW and again this might be TAW of 5 years ago but it doesnt seem to me that the TAW mentality im firmilar with has changed it seems you carry on their tradition of dueschbaggery very well! :P
and i told you to play the pc cause you obviously dont know how to play and have little skill and are used to playing in baby mode so maybe playing against enemies that move only in a straigh line is a little more ur speed anyway. oh and if you customize settings ud be surprised how much the AI of high difficulty bots can be they are well designed maybe not the brightest but they will keep u on ur toes to practie advanved tactics and while u learn to fly :D lol plus most servers now adays only have bots on them anyways so wether u know it or not ur playign against bots a lot
well hey good luck with ur baby torn when you wanna play a serious game against someon skilled hit me up im always up for a good match

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24 Feb 2015 at 11:38 #8

"but also great ppl in general. however this was always the exception not the rule."
" so wether u know it or not ur playign against bots a lot"
Lol, this stuff is just priceless, you call a community that has 60 members just in Quake Wars at the moment, that great people is the exception, and then you write that I am not suppose to be able to tell whether I am playing bots or not? Just priceless, you are obviously a troll, I'm guessing you are edxot or someone that was kicked out of TAW actually 5 years ago now. So I'm guessing you are butthurt. I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

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24 Feb 2015 at 11:52 #9

60 i thought u said 29 in ur original post......? and even if u have 60 ppl doesnt mean any of them are quality players or people quanity is not what im talking about u could have a managery of players and they could all still be crappy people. and when im saying u dont know wether ur playing bots im talking about on other servers not alwasy urs. and i say that cause at ur skill level and how ur clan seems to play u wouldnt know the diffrence between playing a bot or another TAW member anyway. like i said play someone with real skill and u'll realoze how handicapped u've made urself by creating a society that fosters mediocrity.
no i'm not that person whoever they are but im sure if i told u my sn u'd know me well :D whats urs? ill look for u to cry every time i tbag ur dead corpse

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24 Feb 2015 at 11:57 #10

oh and btw im not the troll im obviously an established steam gamer as well as a vetren ETQW player. it would be nice if i could say the same about u....

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24 Feb 2015 at 16:40 #11

If you have to clarify that you are not a troll, you likely are, and it sounds like you are by you unnecessary banter in this post. Why would you put so much effort into hijacking a well intentioned recruitment post?

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24 Feb 2015 at 17:09 #12

so says a lvl 0 troll lol

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24 Jun 2016 at 03:00 #13

I used to be a member of TAW, probably back in 2010. Played in a number of clan matches.
It's really too bad this game didn't perform better and retain players longer - it was, without a doubt, one of the best Quakes ever released besides Quake Live. I invite anyone still playing ETQW or missing it to get QL and hop on a clan arena server - it's about as close as you can get today. Also keep your eye on Quake Champions - there's a good chance we'll get something like a Team Fortress mod, which we haven't had since Quake 3.

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12 Oct 2016 at 11:40 #14

Since I have gotten some e-mails lately from interested people, and I mostly update on the SD forums, I just wanted to write a short notice that we are still active playing and recruiting. Tuesday and sunday 21 GMT as always.

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